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I was reading stuff on Lugus (or in insular Celtic cultures,… 
30th-Sep-2006 08:20 pm
I was reading stuff on Lugus (or in insular Celtic cultures, Llew/Lugh) and the relationship to Odin/Wotan/Wodanaz and I found something interesting--that there may be a relationship between Loki and Lugus, although it seems based of only two things: 1) the can be seen as having cognate elements in the names and 2) the description of Loki as "hypostasis of Odin" by pwople like Folke Ström.

What interests me about this is while there are few accounts of Lugus directing from Roman or Greek sources on Gaul, there does seem to be some relationship with the Chatti and, as macnacailli points, during the La Tene period. Are some of the Loki myths rememants of the relationship to Lugus.

And while all this is scholarly interesting, what could this mean, religiously?
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1st-Oct-2006 01:32 pm (UTC)
YMMV...
I'm sure there are some who think so, but to me Loki is more of a Bres figure, the 'anti-type' of Lugh from/through whom some good things are gained despite his intentions, not because of them.

My suggestion is that Lodur, a by-name for Vili (one of Odin's triple aspect as Odin/Vili/Ve), might be a better fit than Loki.
Vili might mean 'will' and the in Lokasenna, Loki accuses him of having an affair with Odin's wife, Frigg... which is sorta funny if we see him as Odin himself...

...Just my $.02 worth.

1st-Oct-2006 06:07 pm (UTC)
That's quite interesting--I had forgotten about the Bres figure (how attested is Bres amongst the Gauls)...

well, let's look at this another way, in what key ways are Lugh and Odin different (and Bres and Loki)...
1st-Oct-2006 06:36 pm (UTC)
Bres is not attested among the Gauls, just the Gaels - we have no first hand (and precious little second hand) myth from Gaul and, of course, there would have been no reason to make offerings or leave epigraphic evidence to such a one, if someone like him had been in the lost stories.

As to how Lugh and Odin are different, there are no doubt many possible dissimilarity, but as we are dealling with an incomplete understanding of each figure, there is no saying for certain if 'x' which is present for one but seem absent from the other might not have been found amongst the missing pieces... then again maybe not.
2nd-Oct-2006 04:48 pm (UTC)
Among modern Heathens, there are some that claim that Loki = Lodur. I'm not entirely certain what their argument is, or whether it's valid (it's part of a squabble over whether or not Loki deserves full honors as a Deity that gets pretty heated from time to time, and I've gotten sick of it myself), but it's out there... Which makes it just that much more convoluted. ;)
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